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today we dyno'd D&D's F7 bone stocker with their new twin pipes feeding into stock quiet muffler. Great results to be posted on DTR and on D&D's website.
after F7, D&D installed a stock D&D F8 top end (they hadn't dyno tested that combo with new quiet twins). We managed to airlock the cooling system, I think I lightly detonated the engine on our first run as a result of air trapped above the combustion chambers. So D&D headed home with the sled, very happy with F7 quiet twin results, will be back with fresh F8 next wednesday to try again.

We had scheduled a HTG Big Bore fusion for this afternoon,  D&D took up the bulk of the day, HTG expects to have production Ypipe/ single pipe to try early next week, will try to dyno as soon as they have production stuff in hand.

Monday we will be testing a ProX800 twin pipe, with Boondocker N2O system. That begins at 10 AM.

My dyno pals Bill Davis and Donavan Facey have made 2800 instrumented dyno runs at 7000 ft altitude. They have very interesting dyno data on Fusion, MachZ etc at high altitude. The info they have amassed will be a great benefit to mountain riders--  Be prepared to be amazed at the difference in stockers from  sea level to 7000 ft and above!

current events with 800 stockers &tc

DTR members have the greatest interest in HP upgrades for the ProR800 and Etec800! Where is the long awaited data?

 We're still waiting for pipes to test on the ProR800--SLP is doing their flatland field testing this week before shipping, and BMP and DynoPort should be shipping their production stuff soon. As soon as we can get pipes from them, Casey Mulkis is ready to test a stocker, and one more time with the shim kit.

Billy Howard was scheduled to test stuff he's acquired for the Etec800 but his field testing on his long plowed snow strip has shown strange issues--one 1/4 mile blast with good acceleration, followed by another short blast with poor acceleration, underrevving. So we've put that session on hold until we figure out what is causing the grief.  My pal Rusty from Rapid City SD is experiencing the same problem with his bone stock Etec800 at 6000 ft altitude. We're thinking now that it is exhaust temp creating this strange loss in power after some reasonable time at WOT. The probe in the muffler may be getting up to some temperature, and then the ECU drops the power level and causes underrevving. What causes the drop the power? Retarding the timing would only increase the ex temp, making the pipe even hotter. Adding fuel would even help Billy's sled, which is boarderline lean with the exhausts he's testing. So could they be lowering the exhaust valves slightly to choke off airflow? At any rate, Billy has eliminated the power dropoff by advancing his ignition timing with his buds computer. Rusty is planning to do the same with his stocker, and test it this weekend. Now, advancing the timing reduces exhaust temp (the fire stays inside the combustion chamber instead of blowing out the exhaust ports, hopefully making more cylinder pressure and torque), and maybe Billy advanced his enough to heep the muffler temp below the threshold temp. We'll know more about this phenomenon next week, and hope we can reschedule the Etec800 test session. 

current events

As you can see from the schedule we're coming into the end of the winter trail sled performance tuning sessions. Les Ferenczy called today about trying one of the Boondocker DTR programmed boxes on his stock F7--he'll be here tomorrow to try that out.

The DTR programming I requested from Boondocker eliminates overlap fuel, and adds several definite steps, the most important being right at valve opening (7200 and 6500 depending on year) so we can dial in correct fuel flow perfectly. It does add fuel or take away fuel as necessary, and it shows great promise. We dialed in an original Boondocker on a twin pipe D&D F8, but were unable to smooth out the declining fuel curve after vave opening, but the DTR Boondocker box enabled us to make the A/F ratio as flat as we liked from 7200-8400. I will try to post those results this week.

We're looking forward to trying the Boondocker box on mod Fusions/ MachZs.

I have in my possession a brand new two cylinder Boss Noss kit that we need to assess! I'd like someone in WNY to buy this kit (call for details) and for no extra cost we will baseline dyno tune your sled here, install the kit on live webcam, then dyno tune with the juice turned on. The uniqueness of this N2O kit is its self contained electrical system and most importantly a liquid N2O pressure regulator that eliminates the need to maintain constant bottle temp/ pressure for consistant performance.

I will also post this week dyno results of the new D&D F7 Twin pipes on a bone stock F7; with dyno tweeking would you believe 160+ HP?. I would like to get actual field testing feedback from DTR F7 subscribers who have these twins on their sleds.

I haven't had my own snowmobile to ride in many years. This fall I acquired a 97 XLT600 w/ reverse and electric start, 12" travel just perfect for an old guy that wants to go out on the lakes just to watch the dyno tuned stockers and monster sleds go at it. I recently got the engine bay detailed, carbs rejetted the way I thought they should be, and of course had to final dyno tune before riding it for the first time last weekend. After setting the A/F ratio at 12/1 the engine repeated just over 98 HP over four or five runs within 1/10th of a HP. So I decided this would be a good candidate to assess the HP potential of the two cases of Blue Marble Oil provided to me by the manufacturer. After draining the Polaris oil out of the injection tank and relacing it with Blue Marble I "treated" the engine by filling each combustion chamber with Blue Marble oil then gradually rolling the crank to "coat" cylinder walls/ piston rings/ bottom end with the oil, then let it set for three days before firing it up. After the three days, I was glad to have electric start since it took a lot to fire up the oil-soaked XLT engine.

After I get a few weeks of  run time on the sled with Blue Marble, I will redyno to see if there is HP to be had. In anticipation, I've saved two gallons of the 93 octane gas I used for baseline test, and that will be used for the final assessment.

I recently dyno tested a Polaris IQ440 and I will post those numbers this week.

Cool weather is finally coming,,,

Now thy're beginning to line up It will be 60 towmorrow, 50's the next week or so. Team Industries is dynoing Sat/ Sun so cams will be turned off. Then Tuesday 10/11 Aaron Excell is coming with stock Apex to dyno with stock exhaust and then his slick looking Stainless replacemt exhaust. Also Aaron is binging a Vector to test stock and with his total replacement header/ muffler package.
Then Thursday 10/13 Erich Bikeman is coming to dyno tune an F7 stock w/ bikeman mod pipe, D&D Ypipe, maybe a D&D single with Boondocker, then ported F7 cylinders and whatever else he thinks might add HP.
YOU CAN WATCH ALL OF THIS LIVE ON OUR WEBCAMS . This will be much more fun than working--hopefully  your supervisors will think DynoTechResearch is a useful website for whatever technical work you're involved in.

cool engines = hot performance

When it comes to making best HP without detonation, cool engines rule. We need just enough heat in the engine components--crankcase, crankshaft, cylinders, cylinder heads and pistons to allow the fuel to vaporize. Infamous "cold seizures" are the result of imperfect fuel vaporization while running under power with too-cold engines, which creates excessively lean mixtures that cause the pistons to grow too big and stick. Unvaporized fuel in too-cold engines can go through the engine without burning in the combustion chambers, which means that a nice mechanical 11/1 pounds of Air/Fuel ratio can become, net, 11/.6 or  18/1 (that portion of the fuel which manages to vaporize and burn in the chambers) which can detonate and/ or cause seizures. And those big lava lap-like globules of fuel, most of which eventually vaporizes and burns inside the exhaust (resulting in safe-appearing wideband A/F readings)  can splatter against sparkplug insulators, shorting out the spark, causing misfire.

Some engines need lots of heat to run cleanly. Among worst were the Vmax 4s with those awful racked Mikuni carbs. Those who tried running with the 120F thermostat removed were rewarded with 100F coolant temp and continual gurgling from poor vaporization. That engine/ carb combination really needed 120F coolant temp to run cleanly.

But most engines will run cleanly and happily with 80-100F coolant temperature, and will make way more power than they will at 150F. And cool (not cold) engines are much less likely to detonate with max power A/F ratio.

Some Dragon 800 owners complain, bitterly, about excessive (150F +) coolant temperature while riding. If we can get that engine to run at 100F or even cooler, it will be a better machine. One Polaris tuner has ordered aluminum extrusions with which to make auxilliary tunnel heat exchangers. Joe from Boyesen Engineering sent me a billet prototype high-flow water pump impeller to test. If we can increase coolant velocity and turbulence through the engine, and supplement heat exchanger capacity, 100F or cooler is surely within reach!

reprinted from a past blog entry "Bathtub heads vs Shrinkwrapped heads":

I subscribe to Cycle World magazine primarily to read Kevin Cameron's monthly one page TDC column, and to try to absorb detailed technical articles he writes that appear in about every other issue.

In a past CW issue, Kevin addresses coolant velocity in cylinder heads. According to KC, turbulent high velocity coolant is vastly more effective in removing heat from combustion chamber "domes" than lazy slow moving coolant. Worse yet, is any area of stagnant coolant that rests against the domes' coolant side surfaces with slow or no movement which can create dangerous detonation causing hot-spots. 

Kevin describes large coolant volume cylinder heads as antique "bathtub" design. Conversely, he describes modern sled cylinder heads (like some SkiDoo models) as having a "shrink wrapped" appearance where the diecast cylinder heads' outer covers closely mirror the shape of the combustion  chambers. Shrink-wrapped covers create small but ample passages for high velocity coolant flow over the combustion chambers.

Some of the aftermarket snowmobile cylinder heads I see on the dyno look like bathtubs to me.  Most "billet"  head covers are large rectangular structures that appear to hold lots of coolant, exactly the opposite of what would create high velocity turbulent coolant flow over the internal surfaces of the combustion chambers.

On typical dyno tuneups especially this time of year it's more time (and cost) effective to dyno sled engines with their own coolant, letting the 7.5hp roof mounted dyno room blower cool the engine between dyno runs. To maintain consistancy, I like to measure head surface temp with an infrared gun before each dyno run. On most sleds, head surface temp runs about 20 degrees F lower than coolant temp, but this is not as important as doing each dyno run with similar engine and pipe temperature.

What I notice on some aftermarket cylinder heads is that ending surface temp (after 10-15 second dyno runs) is sometimes much higher than what we usually see with stock heads. In the past I have dismissed this difference in being caused by different material finish (shiny machined and anodized or powder coated billet instead of die or sand cast surfaces) causing different infrared gun readings. But after digesting Kevin's  info I'm thinking that we may be  experiencing the bathtub syndrome.

How bad is this?

My favorite example of stagnant coolant was Tim Bender's experience with an Exciter FIII oval racing engine over 20 years ago. Kevin Cameron had suggested to Tim that the golf-cart-like transfer ports on the Exciter engine limited its potential. So Tim decided to widen the engine to allow room for larger transfer ports that he would create out of material welded on to the sides cylinders. This meant having the Crankshop build him a wider crankshaft, then saw a crankcase and cylinder head in half, then weld in an inch or so of material to allow bore spacing to be wider, accomodating normal-size transfer ports.

Tim's problems began when the one-piece cylinder head was widened and welded back together. The Exciter 570's coolant normally enters the front of the head in the center, then is forced around each combustion chamber surface, then rejoins as it exits the rear center of the head at the thermostat housing. However the widened and rewelded head provided  an unintended short-circuit for the coolant straight through the center of the head from front to back without being forced around the combustion chambers. Unbeknownst to Tim and me, this allowed stagnant water to lay on the combustion chambers instead of flowing over them. Trouble was lurking.

On the dyno, even with lots of water flowing to cool the engine, we never could create low BSFC without detonation. But the engine made more HP than before and Tim was anxious to test the engine in his race sled before going to the annual big oval race at Eagle River.

I went with Tim to a nearby frozen lake where the night before he had snowblown an oval track on the shallow end. When he began doing laps with his dyno-tuned engine Tim encountered detonation with the same jets, same gas as we had dyno'd with the day before. Jets that were dandy for 15 seconds on the dyno were causing deto on the track after 20 seconds. The 48mm carbs required about 15 sizes larger jets to be deto-free, and that extra fuel drowned the HP added by the larger transfers. This was perplexing to both of us. At the end of the day, Tim's high HP wide engine was no faster than the narrow golf-cart Exciter race engine he had run previously. Why the deto? With his other race engines, winter dyno jets were within a few sizes of what he needed for 20 laps.

That evening, one of us remembered the widened cylinder head. I like to think that I came up with the solution to the problem, but it probably was Tim. One of us called the other, and we discussed the possibility of a problem with combustion chamber coolant flow. Tim went to the shop at 10pm, and upon inspection found that there was an open passage in the widened area for coolant to flow directly from the front center head inlet to the rear center outlet! He mixed up some Devcon epoxy filler and goobered that unintended passage closed. As intended, coolant would once again be forced to the outsides of the head, pass over the chambers then rejoin at the rear before exiting the engine.

The next day back at the lake, Tim was able to jet down all of the 15 sizes (and then some) and the HP was back, deto was gone. More races would be won.

Bottom line--stagnant coolant was surely the culprit. According to KC, when coolant boils and creates a steam pocket anywhere around a combustion chamber, detonation is sure to follow quickly even with the safest A/F ratio.

I'm not suggesting that all billet replacement heads are low velocity bathtub design--in each case I don't know what sort of internal passages were created by the person who programmed the milling machine to carve out the "tub". But my opinion is that before an aftermarket head is installed in might be good to compare coolant volume between the stock head and the replacement head. If the replacement head has larger capacity than the shrink-wrapped stocker I would question the design and ask why the volume is greater. If the answer is "to help cool the engine".....

The factories' sled engine designers surely use dyno software that measures coolant flow in GPH, and that figure along with temperature rise in the coolant around each combustion chamber is necessary to correctly design the cooling passages in any cylinder head, either OEM or replacement.

When it comes to snowmobile cylinder heads, cool-looking and big is not necessarily better.

communicating with scandanavia

Please someone in scandanavia email this person, he punched in an incorrect Email address when he subsribed to DTR, consequently never got his ID PW, I've tried to email his ID PW from DTR and also from my home email, his server keeps kicking my emails back as unwanted spam. I have his $20, but he has no ID PW and I want to help him but his spamblockers are preventing that.
lars.jussi@aimpoint.se

Carl McQuillen powers 1913 Curtiss America seaplane

Carl McQuillen Racing Engines in LeRoy, NY has remanufactured two circa 1906 Curtiss OXX6 V8 airplane engines which lifted off Keuka Lake in Hammondsport, N.Y. in a replicated Curtiss America 1913 seaplane. www.seaplanehomecoming.org is where you can see this amazing thing. Carl is an aviation aficionado and somehow the Curtiss Museum found him and his capabilities. They had two right hand rotation surplus OXX6 V8 engines that needed to be rebuilt, with one converted to left hand rotation to drive the other propeller. Instead of simply rebuilding, Carl redesigned the nearly century old engine with some modern technology (pistons, camshafts, valves, magnetos, etc) and instead of 80 HP as dyno tested in 1906 (and in 2006 on Carl's dyno) the rejuvinated OXX6 engines now make 140 HP, both right and left hand rotation! It was delightful to watch this project unfold, using modern-looking but century-old cast aluminum engine blocks and billet crankshafts machined in 1906 on manual lathes driven by flapping leather belts.

22 years ago, then young Carl McQuillen accompanied me to SuperFlow headquarters in CO Springs to help me assess this new computerized dyno testing equipment I saw in some Hot Rod magazine. Carl was just then beginning his engine building business, had his own dyno, and did performance stuff for street/ strip dragracers. He convinced me it was wise to borrow $50,000 for this then-new dynamometer technology "if I wanted to do it right" so I could spend another $50,000 adapting it, and creating this test cell to dyno test snowmobile and motorcycle engines. As young people are apt to type, online, "WTF?". But here we are.

Carl was helpful to me while I created this fixture/ facility for testing and tuning. When I began testing things and learning, Carl was one of many who helped me understand what was happening that had bewildered me. If you look back in the DTR archives--Volume 1 #4 Carl McQuillen explained for us, in understandable terms, why Breck Norton's "Extrudehoned" 650 Wildcat engine failed to make added HP even though airflow CFM was marginally higher.

Since then Carl McQuillen Racing Engines has invested in many bucks worth of equipment including CNC machining and EDM equipment, several new fully instrumented dyno cels, and is capable of creating intricate, useful things out of huge hunks of metal. This OXX6 engine project is a great example of that capability. Here is a good Utube video, showing the green-shirted plane builders beckoning Carl to be in the the photo-op before the flight. White-shirted Carl did wade into the picture, and surely if the plane flew Carl would get his own green shirt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMMAmTLUaTI

Cameras shut off for a week

Sorry about lack of audio/ visual webcam info for the past week. Those of you who emailed me complaining of blackout have to understand the Tim Bender/ Sean Ray/ Team Industries/ Polaris snoX dyno session has to be private, cameras turned off.  Tim Bender has blacked out the webcams for a week, ending last Sunday PM. The cameras are back on again, today was Paul Cross, who repainted my 16 year old dyno last month in exchange for a dyno tuning session--, a PSI Genesis 800 Polaris triple, we tweeked and tuned to 182hp using a set of SLP 707 pipes I was ready to put in the dumpster. John T Cowie was helping today, he suggested a 1/2" head pipe cut, that took HP peak to 9300 and added 6 HP. Paul Cross is grinning today.

Tuesday I'm dyno tuning another F7, and you can watch that live on our webcams.

Cameras rolling,, F7 TPS testers

We're online now with DynoCams, complete with high buck sound. Take a look on the free side of our website. We'll leave it on free view this weekend,  everone gets to see dyno hookup of an 05 F7, then tuning to max HP. This will be either Sat 1 PM EST or Sunday 9 AM EST. Then on Sunday 11 AM we will dyno tune Joe T's XCR800 asphalt dragger, with two sets of heads and two sets of pipes. I haven't heard yet from the DTR subscriber who's supposed to take delivery of MachZ today, hoping he will bring it here on Sunday PM.

Then Monday we will switch to subscriber-only access, when the fleet of SnowWeek/DTR shootout sleds arrive for certification. This cert will be done on Monday, Tuesday. Then Wednesday I go for routine colonoscopy (I couldn't talk the Dr into performing that on the dynotech table), then Thursday AM Bikeman is going to dyno two F8's on his way to Shootout (you will see that) .

Shootout is at Woodgate NY on Friday 12/10.

F7 TPS assessment-- the goofy numbers Looneytune and I have been getting apparently are the result of us getting the wrong AC TPS checkers, designed for ZR EFI's which have different wiring. So the jury is still out on how those few F7 hotrods are creating wickedly low fuel flow lb/hr and wickedly advanced timing.



 

Brute HP shootout

During our brute HP tuneup Saturday the sled lost fuel pressure (fuel leak at electric pump) and detonated the turbo Price 1000cc Mach Z triple, but before we stopped we made 308 HP at less than 10 psi boost. He will be back with freshened up engine, looking for 350+ HP. Interesting note--the engine had Swaintech coated pistons, we ate three sparkplugs but the engine showed no signs of seizure--no  scratches on cylinder walls. But to play it safe, turbo and engine will be examined and freshened up if necessary and then back later to finish dyno tuning.

Monday 8/15 Bender Racing is bringing a new RX1 turbo drag sled to dyno tune for Chuck Hamrah. Expecting 350+HP maybe 400? The sled is coming at 8:30AM EST it will take about one hour to set up for dyno tuning. Dyno runs should begin at about 9:30 or so, watch your dynocams to see if DTR HP record is broken.

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